you can never win…

By  | June 30, 2011 | 3 Comments | Filed under: Misc

I ran across a couple articles online which presented one of the most important and least used ideas regarding how we act online… trying to correct idiots, trying to win some debate (OK a flame war…), or to triumph in any interaction where you are merely a commenter, a member of a listserv community is an act of complete futility…

Nevertheless, people continue with this Sisyphusian activity every day.

Of course, there is some simple recourse for this sort of knee jerk activity…really simple. Instead of attempting to address some idiocy on a site you don’t control….start your own. This would mean, unfortunately, that you would have to defend a proposition instead of merely attacking one…

You’re not going to win an argument online
http://www.digitizd.com/2011/06/17/youre-not-going-to-win-an-argument-online

David McRaney wants you to stop trying to correct all of the insane people on the Internet who disagree with you (even though you’re totally right, and they’re definitely wrong and stupid and terrible). Why? Science:

In 2006, Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler at The University of Michigan and Georgia State University created fake newspaper articles about polarizing political issues. The articles were written in a way which would confirm a widespread misconception about certain ideas in American politics. As soon as a person read a fake article, researchers then handed over a true article which corrected the first. For instance, one article suggested the United States found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The next said the U.S. never found them, which was the truth. Those opposed to the war or who had strong liberal leanings tended to disagree with the original article and accept the second. Those who supported the war and leaned more toward the conservative camp tended to agree with the first article and strongly disagree with the second. These reactions shouldn’t surprise you. What should give you pause though is how conservatives felt about the correction. After reading that there were no WMDs, they reported being even more certain than before there actually were WMDs and their original beliefs were correct.

What It All Means:

Once something is added to your collection of beliefs, you protect it from harm. You do it instinctively and unconsciously when confronted with attitude-inconsistent information. Just as confirmation bias shields you when you actively seek information, the backfire effect defends you when the information seeks you, when it blindsides you. Coming or going, you stick to your beliefs instead of questioning them. When someone tries to correct you, tries to dilute your misconceptions, it backfires and strengthens them instead. Over time, the backfire effect helps make you less skeptical of those things which allow you to continue seeing your beliefs and attitudes as true and proper.

Reason Seen More as Weapon than Path to Truth
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/arts/people-argue-just-to-win-scholars-assert.html?_r=2

For centuries thinkers have assumed that the uniquely human capacity for reasoning has existed to let people reach beyond mere perception and reflex in the search for truth. Rationality allowed a solitary thinker to blaze a path to philosophical, moral, and scientific enlightenment.

Hugo Mercier is among the researchers now asserting that reason evolved to win arguments, not seek truth.

Now some researchers are suggesting that reason evolved for a completely different purpose: to win arguments. Rationality, by this yardstick (and irrationality too, but we’ll get to that) is nothing more or less than a servant of the hard-wired compulsion to triumph in the debating arena. According to this view, bias, lack of logic and other supposed flaws that pollute the stream of reason are instead social adaptations that enable one group to persuade (and defeat) another. Certitude works, however sharply it may depart from the truth.

The idea, labeled the argumentative theory of reasoning, is the brainchild of French cognitive social scientists, and it has stirred excited discussion (and appalled dissent) among philosophers, political scientists, educators and psychologists, some of whom say it offers profound insight into the way people think and behave. The Journal of Behavioral and Brain Sciences devoted its April issue to debates over the theory, with participants challenging everything from the definition of reason to the origins of verbal communication.

“Reasoning doesn’t have this function of helping us to get better beliefs and make better decisions,” said Hugo Mercier, who is a co-author of the journal article, with Dan Sperber. “It was a purely social phenomenon. It evolved to help us convince others and to be careful when others try to convince us.” Truth and accuracy were beside the point.

Indeed, Mr. Sperber, a member of the Jean-Nicod research institute in Paris, first developed a version of the theory in 2000 to explain why evolution did not make the manifold flaws in reasoning go the way of the prehensile tail and the four-legged stride. Looking at a large body of psychological research, Mr. Sperber wanted to figure out why people persisted in picking out evidence that supported their views and ignored the rest — what is known as confirmation bias — leading them to hold on to a belief doggedly in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence.

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able.danger 5 pts

I totally agree with your reply to my comment.

riehler 5 pts

Thanks fro the comment, and once again you have helped me clarify how I think about this topic. Presenting one's own views online is something i agree with you as being of real value. The primary focus of this article is not about writing online, or even in presenting valid and incisive comments (like yours) but the seeming needs of some of post anonymous comments which are mostly flame bait (most often seen in comments in political blogs).

I think that rational discourse (even when heated) has great value, but merely trying to 'shout down' someone or to engage in off topic talking points or ad hominem attacks has little to no value. Another consequence to these sorts of comments is that they are of amusement value at best...they never win the arguments which they are presumably involved in.

able.danger 5 pts

I don't think having to defend one's own arguments is the worst part of blogging, as you write. I would think it would be far worse to get no reaction at all. After all, what is the goal of writing in such a public fashion? Is it merely to have people agree with us? To pat us on the back? I would prefer to illicit strong negative reactions rather than none at all.

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