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		<title>Comment on plagiarism&#8230; by Greg Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those students who are so inclined- plagerize all you want. The rest of us will have the last laugh when you absolutely have to come up with something on your own. This topic came up at an appropriate time for me. 

Back in Jr. High School I was considered one of the better writers in school. But I worked really hard at it. We had a book that was published every year called &quot;Red Feather Writings&quot; and the best stories, poems etc were selected for publication. The best of these recieved some kind of award.

I was dumbfounded when a couple of incredible poems knocked me out of first place. One of them was written by a very studious and focused girl whom I had a lot of respect for and pegged as having a lot of integrity (even though she would have nothing to do with me). Her writing acumen seemed to come out of the blue and for the longest time I assumed that because I worked so hard at this and this girl could just pull something like this out of thin air when she needed it I must not be very talented. This kind of haunted me for a long time.

Fast forward to a few months ago. I&#039;m cleaning out the attic and run across a box of school stuff my mom saved and returned to me not long ago. In it was a copy of &quot;Red Feather  Writings&quot;. And reading it was fascinating. And then I ran across that &quot;incredible&quot; piece of work. And realized it was plagerized! I can&#039;t say for sure but  it seems likely a few of the other pieces probably ended up there the same way. Fortunately my self doubt about my writing skills had evaporated by the time I left high school (thank you Mr. Phillips!). But plagerism does have implications for school kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those students who are so inclined- plagerize all you want. The rest of us will have the last laugh when you absolutely have to come up with something on your own. This topic came up at an appropriate time for me. </p>
<p>Back in Jr. High School I was considered one of the better writers in school. But I worked really hard at it. We had a book that was published every year called &#8220;Red Feather Writings&#8221; and the best stories, poems etc were selected for publication. The best of these recieved some kind of award.</p>
<p>I was dumbfounded when a couple of incredible poems knocked me out of first place. One of them was written by a very studious and focused girl whom I had a lot of respect for and pegged as having a lot of integrity (even though she would have nothing to do with me). Her writing acumen seemed to come out of the blue and for the longest time I assumed that because I worked so hard at this and this girl could just pull something like this out of thin air when she needed it I must not be very talented. This kind of haunted me for a long time.</p>
<p>Fast forward to a few months ago. I&#8217;m cleaning out the attic and run across a box of school stuff my mom saved and returned to me not long ago. In it was a copy of &#8220;Red Feather  Writings&#8221;. And reading it was fascinating. And then I ran across that &#8220;incredible&#8221; piece of work. And realized it was plagerized! I can&#8217;t say for sure but  it seems likely a few of the other pieces probably ended up there the same way. Fortunately my self doubt about my writing skills had evaporated by the time I left high school (thank you Mr. Phillips!). But plagerism does have implications for school kids.</p>
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		<title>Comment on email exchanges for teachers and students by Greg Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way- where did you get the picture of our new conference calling system at work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way- where did you get the picture of our new conference calling system at work?</p>
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		<title>Comment on email exchanges for teachers and students by Greg Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if you came down to some of the Minneapolis schools you might find more teachers who are interested in new ideas and approaches. The technical resources to communicate with kids in another country certainly shouldn&#039;t be that difficult to arrange these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if you came down to some of the Minneapolis schools you might find more teachers who are interested in new ideas and approaches. The technical resources to communicate with kids in another country certainly shouldn&#8217;t be that difficult to arrange these days.</p>
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		<title>Comment on cell phones in school&#8230; by Rusty Shackleford</title>
		<link>http://www.riehler.com/cell-phones-in-school/comment-page-1/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty Shackleford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, it&#039;s fair to recognize that technology will provide new tools and methods to accomplish the same age-old tasks like note passing. Technology can also provide means to accomplish ends that were previously not possible and/or  not dreamed of.

Setting aside the later cases which you don&#039;t mention, the impact technology can have on traditional endeavors is profound. I would be willing to wager that students are moving from paper notes to SMS notes (if we can believe your Mr. Larkin) for practical reasons: the offer advantages that make it superior to paper notes.

Technology tends to increase productivity even if the activity is unwanted like your example.

Regarding your thoughts about edu-tech Pollyanna&#039;s. New gadgets tend to release an internet avalanche of fluff pieces lauding the expected impact of the gadget, of how it will Change Everything, etc. You mention frustration with writers who write fluff pieces about new technology for the classroom. Your piece would benefit from a few examples of these. Are any of these folks producing thoughtful pieces, except for tech related topics? I&#039;m curious to know what you&#039;re referring to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, it&#8217;s fair to recognize that technology will provide new tools and methods to accomplish the same age-old tasks like note passing. Technology can also provide means to accomplish ends that were previously not possible and/or  not dreamed of.</p>
<p>Setting aside the later cases which you don&#8217;t mention, the impact technology can have on traditional endeavors is profound. I would be willing to wager that students are moving from paper notes to SMS notes (if we can believe your Mr. Larkin) for practical reasons: the offer advantages that make it superior to paper notes.</p>
<p>Technology tends to increase productivity even if the activity is unwanted like your example.</p>
<p>Regarding your thoughts about edu-tech Pollyanna&#8217;s. New gadgets tend to release an internet avalanche of fluff pieces lauding the expected impact of the gadget, of how it will Change Everything, etc. You mention frustration with writers who write fluff pieces about new technology for the classroom. Your piece would benefit from a few examples of these. Are any of these folks producing thoughtful pieces, except for tech related topics? I&#8217;m curious to know what you&#8217;re referring to.</p>
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		<title>Comment on plagiarism&#8230; by Richard Riehle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Riehle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you are saying...back in the day (for me...a long time ago), the terms of the student/teacher relationship about plagiarism were actually about the same as they are now. It&#039;s just that the access that either of these two sides had was much less than now.
In this sense, the &#039;plagiarism&#039; dilemma is a bit of red herring. If you have a chance look over the link to the &#039;Fish&#039;s&#039; perspective about plagiarism (and especially the comments! The opinion piece is a bit of a sob story about having relativist attitudes and having to actually adjudicate a problem based upon some &#039;absolute&#039; sort of societal value...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you are saying&#8230;back in the day (for me&#8230;a long time ago), the terms of the student/teacher relationship about plagiarism were actually about the same as they are now. It&#8217;s just that the access that either of these two sides had was much less than now.<br />
In this sense, the &#8216;plagiarism&#8217; dilemma is a bit of red herring. If you have a chance look over the link to the &#8216;Fish&#8217;s&#8217; perspective about plagiarism (and especially the comments! The opinion piece is a bit of a sob story about having relativist attitudes and having to actually adjudicate a problem based upon some &#8216;absolute&#8217; sort of societal value&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on plagiarism&#8230; by Rusty Shackleford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty Shackleford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic. It made me think about the impact the internet has had on both the plagiarist and the teacher who might seek to detect evidence of plagiarism. 

The web certainly provides students with huge volumes of relevant work and provides it in a copy-and-paste-able format.  This convenient copyable format and the ease of finding what must appear to be obscure references or textbooks would seem to favor the clever plagiarist.

But the internet provides advantages to the teacher wishing to detect plagiarism as well. With students submitting their work in digital format teachers may easily utilize powerful search engines able to search through text from a large portion of the written works in print, or out of print. Google makes the task of searching for a given sentence easy. What may appear to be an obscure reference has probably been scanned by Google and its full text is search able.  This convenient, fast and powerful new tool should make any plagiarist more than a little wary.

It&#039;s not obvious to me whom the internet gives the advantage to in this kind of  predator prey relationship.  Consider how this worked in the pre-internet age. Back then, even lazy students had ready access to books or encyclopedias  that were very likely to be outside the reach of the instructor.  The job of copying was more  laborious and provided the plagiarist with a convenient opportunity to introduce  small modifications to the copied text making detection almost impossible.

So what&#039;s all the fuss? Has their been in increase in incidence of plagiarism? I haven&#039;t bothered to look, but I will assume that there are reports supporting this statement.  Measuring such things as this is a tricky business.  I suspect relatively few guilty parties are ever caught so it makes me wonder - in the midst of a revolution in detection capability - if any reported increases simply reflect the increase in detection rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic. It made me think about the impact the internet has had on both the plagiarist and the teacher who might seek to detect evidence of plagiarism. </p>
<p>The web certainly provides students with huge volumes of relevant work and provides it in a copy-and-paste-able format.  This convenient copyable format and the ease of finding what must appear to be obscure references or textbooks would seem to favor the clever plagiarist.</p>
<p>But the internet provides advantages to the teacher wishing to detect plagiarism as well. With students submitting their work in digital format teachers may easily utilize powerful search engines able to search through text from a large portion of the written works in print, or out of print. Google makes the task of searching for a given sentence easy. What may appear to be an obscure reference has probably been scanned by Google and its full text is search able.  This convenient, fast and powerful new tool should make any plagiarist more than a little wary.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not obvious to me whom the internet gives the advantage to in this kind of  predator prey relationship.  Consider how this worked in the pre-internet age. Back then, even lazy students had ready access to books or encyclopedias  that were very likely to be outside the reach of the instructor.  The job of copying was more  laborious and provided the plagiarist with a convenient opportunity to introduce  small modifications to the copied text making detection almost impossible.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s all the fuss? Has their been in increase in incidence of plagiarism? I haven&#8217;t bothered to look, but I will assume that there are reports supporting this statement.  Measuring such things as this is a tricky business.  I suspect relatively few guilty parties are ever caught so it makes me wonder &#8211; in the midst of a revolution in detection capability &#8211; if any reported increases simply reflect the increase in detection rates.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do as I say, not as I do by Richard Riehle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Riehle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would respectfully suggest that you should read more than the first paragraph, in that I was certainly not advocating (one way or another) that teachers and parents are impelled to be moral and ethical paragons. 
This post was about the fact that as the internet becomes a greater and greater part of our lives, and in the fundamental way in which we deal with information. I suggested that teachers need to work to help foster and inculcate the skills and disciplines needed for students to master this brave new world. Since almost all of these teachers came of age in the ‘previous world’ (i.e. information scarcity…), the notion of using the old adage of ‘do as I say, not as I do’ seemed to fit…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would respectfully suggest that you should read more than the first paragraph, in that I was certainly not advocating (one way or another) that teachers and parents are impelled to be moral and ethical paragons.<br />
This post was about the fact that as the internet becomes a greater and greater part of our lives, and in the fundamental way in which we deal with information. I suggested that teachers need to work to help foster and inculcate the skills and disciplines needed for students to master this brave new world. Since almost all of these teachers came of age in the ‘previous world’ (i.e. information scarcity…), the notion of using the old adage of ‘do as I say, not as I do’ seemed to fit…</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do as I say, not as I do by Rusty Shackleford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty Shackleford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick comment on your opening paragraph: So if a parent or a teacher smokes, drinks to excess or has some other nasty habit would you advise them to remain silent if asked by a student to render an opinion on said activity? Would silence be more ethical or moral than hypocrisy?

I suppose you could request every teacher and parent in the country to shed their bad habits, but realistically this is not going to happen anytime soon, is it? Until that time when we&#039;re all angels can you suggest better advice than  &#039;do as I say, not as I do&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick comment on your opening paragraph: So if a parent or a teacher smokes, drinks to excess or has some other nasty habit would you advise them to remain silent if asked by a student to render an opinion on said activity? Would silence be more ethical or moral than hypocrisy?</p>
<p>I suppose you could request every teacher and parent in the country to shed their bad habits, but realistically this is not going to happen anytime soon, is it? Until that time when we&#8217;re all angels can you suggest better advice than  &#8216;do as I say, not as I do&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Intelligence, Creativity, Motivation&#8230;which is important? by Greg Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to say that which matters most (and whether they matter at all) depends on circusmstance. Or rather a large number of circumstances that come together to define your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to say that which matters most (and whether they matter at all) depends on circusmstance. Or rather a large number of circumstances that come together to define your life.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Intelligence and Creativity by Richard Riehle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Riehle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulina,	 it&#039;s great to hear from you! I can understand how busy you must have been this year.
 If you are interested, I will send you an e-mail link to some pictures i have taken here since I left Korea last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulina,	 it&#8217;s great to hear from you! I can understand how busy you must have been this year.<br />
 If you are interested, I will send you an e-mail link to some pictures i have taken here since I left Korea last year.</p>
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